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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by Rev. Paul T. McCain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rev. Paul T. McCain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 21:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr. Root, I&#039;ve been doing battle with the unfortunate antinomian streak that has taken hold in American Lutheranism, for quite some time now. I really appreciated your words.

I have had pastors tell me that we must never imitate Paul&#039;s style in his epistles of preaching Law/Gospel/urging to good works.

And various and sundry assorted nonsense like that.

The aversion to speaking about the Christian life of holiness, good works and service to Christ and neighbor is bearing its bitter fruit throughout American Lutheranism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr. Root, I&#8217;ve been doing battle with the unfortunate antinomian streak that has taken hold in American Lutheranism, for quite some time now. I really appreciated your words.</p>
<p>I have had pastors tell me that we must never imitate Paul&#8217;s style in his epistles of preaching Law/Gospel/urging to good works.</p>
<p>And various and sundry assorted nonsense like that.</p>
<p>The aversion to speaking about the Christian life of holiness, good works and service to Christ and neighbor is bearing its bitter fruit throughout American Lutheranism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by M. Martin</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 13:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;To continually affirm that we are both sinner and saint is a self-reflection with both critique and resolution based on our self-created ways and means for solving the issue. In God’s eyes alone are we saints and it is hubris for us to believe what that looks like least of all believe that we can manage what sanctification looks like based on our own systems of morality.&quot;

V.Elert, I couldn&#039;t agree more.  However, what I think Dr. Root, and with him a large portion of the Christian tradition, is advocating is not our own &quot;system of morality,&quot; but the gift given by God in Scripture of clearly constructive teaching about how to pursue receiving, living into, and using, the grace of justification given through faith.  If we truly believe that we are adopted as children of God and given God&#039;s Spirit, this confers a certain degree of dignity and with it an expectation to take hold of the teachings of Scripture as God-enabled possibilities - always in co-operation with, and ultimately, led by, the Holy Sprit and the Church community.  

I believe it is a larger hubris to be so concerned about keeping oneself at what one considers a respectable distance from what one calls atheism, works righteousness, etc, that we fail to hear the entire Gospel - a Gospel which includes Christ&#039;s invitation to &quot;be ye perfect.&quot;  Not something we achieve by our own efforts or by our own system of reality - but by allowing the Holy Spirit to move us to act as children of God and heirs to the Kingdom.

Take the analogy of a sailboat on a lake.  When the wind does not blow, it can do nothing except haplessly turn its rudder rapidly hoping to gain some movement.  But it is without power to attain the goal it had set out to reach.  But should the wind blow, the sails are made full, and suddenly, one is able to work the rudder - not independent of the wind, but in co-operation with and empowered by that wind&#039;s force.  I believe that this is what Scripture &#039;s picture of sanctification is about.  Our efforts are themselves the work of the Spirit, yet part of that gift is the call to work the rudder.  Which also means using the navigational assistance of the Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, as well as most of the New Testament and Old Testament material which speaks of injunctions, recommendations, exhortations, and commands to love God and neighbor, concretely and intentionally.  If we fail, we are not lost.  But if we fail to try, and believe a mere passive (read: non-existent) view of sanctification, we simply are being unfaithful to the Gospel, preventing ourselves from proclaiming it not only by Word, but also in Witness and in mission.  

Hardly bordering on atheism.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;To continually affirm that we are both sinner and saint is a self-reflection with both critique and resolution based on our self-created ways and means for solving the issue. In God’s eyes alone are we saints and it is hubris for us to believe what that looks like least of all believe that we can manage what sanctification looks like based on our own systems of morality.&#8221;</p>
<p>V.Elert, I couldn&#8217;t agree more.  However, what I think Dr. Root, and with him a large portion of the Christian tradition, is advocating is not our own &#8220;system of morality,&#8221; but the gift given by God in Scripture of clearly constructive teaching about how to pursue receiving, living into, and using, the grace of justification given through faith.  If we truly believe that we are adopted as children of God and given God&#8217;s Spirit, this confers a certain degree of dignity and with it an expectation to take hold of the teachings of Scripture as God-enabled possibilities &#8211; always in co-operation with, and ultimately, led by, the Holy Sprit and the Church community.  </p>
<p>I believe it is a larger hubris to be so concerned about keeping oneself at what one considers a respectable distance from what one calls atheism, works righteousness, etc, that we fail to hear the entire Gospel &#8211; a Gospel which includes Christ&#8217;s invitation to &#8220;be ye perfect.&#8221;  Not something we achieve by our own efforts or by our own system of reality &#8211; but by allowing the Holy Spirit to move us to act as children of God and heirs to the Kingdom.</p>
<p>Take the analogy of a sailboat on a lake.  When the wind does not blow, it can do nothing except haplessly turn its rudder rapidly hoping to gain some movement.  But it is without power to attain the goal it had set out to reach.  But should the wind blow, the sails are made full, and suddenly, one is able to work the rudder &#8211; not independent of the wind, but in co-operation with and empowered by that wind&#8217;s force.  I believe that this is what Scripture &#8216;s picture of sanctification is about.  Our efforts are themselves the work of the Spirit, yet part of that gift is the call to work the rudder.  Which also means using the navigational assistance of the Commandments, the Sermon on the Mount, as well as most of the New Testament and Old Testament material which speaks of injunctions, recommendations, exhortations, and commands to love God and neighbor, concretely and intentionally.  If we fail, we are not lost.  But if we fail to try, and believe a mere passive (read: non-existent) view of sanctification, we simply are being unfaithful to the Gospel, preventing ourselves from proclaiming it not only by Word, but also in Witness and in mission.  </p>
<p>Hardly bordering on atheism.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More on Conference on &#8220;The Morally Divided Body: Ethical Disagreement and the Disunity of the Church&#8221; by Rafe Allison</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Mar 2010 02:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, here we go again mixing-up salvation with discipleship.  The controversy was over justification and what brings one to salvation.  But, in the current debates it seems, every time we begin to discuss the community &quot;ethic&quot; or &quot;sole rule and norm for the life&quot; of the baptized (saved/justified) the language of justification is brought in to demand that there can be no commonly-held or agreed upon boundaries for behavioral norms for the life OF the saved, (NOT in order to BE saved/justified but to live as a disciple of Christ).  Perhaps I am hearing the arguments wrong but I&#039;m inferring that what&#039;s being said is there cannot be any such commonly-held &quot;community rule&quot; for the life of the baptized simply because, &quot;Well, gee... after all... we all sin and fall short.&quot;  Exactly, but that&#039;s what confession, forgiveness, and repentance are all about!  And what exactly does it mean that the churchwide, synodical, and congregational constitutions all have as a foundational element that the &quot;sole rule and norm for the life of the church is the word of God, Old and New Testament?&quot;  The answer is not to overthrow the boundaries simply because no one can live-in to them perfectly.  And yes... there does happen to be collective guilt as long as systematic sin exists in our world that is contributed to and participated in by groups... even unawares.  That is one primary reason we have the order of Corporate Confession in our book of worship.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, here we go again mixing-up salvation with discipleship.  The controversy was over justification and what brings one to salvation.  But, in the current debates it seems, every time we begin to discuss the community &#8220;ethic&#8221; or &#8220;sole rule and norm for the life&#8221; of the baptized (saved/justified) the language of justification is brought in to demand that there can be no commonly-held or agreed upon boundaries for behavioral norms for the life OF the saved, (NOT in order to BE saved/justified but to live as a disciple of Christ).  Perhaps I am hearing the arguments wrong but I&#8217;m inferring that what&#8217;s being said is there cannot be any such commonly-held &#8220;community rule&#8221; for the life of the baptized simply because, &#8220;Well, gee&#8230; after all&#8230; we all sin and fall short.&#8221;  Exactly, but that&#8217;s what confession, forgiveness, and repentance are all about!  And what exactly does it mean that the churchwide, synodical, and congregational constitutions all have as a foundational element that the &#8220;sole rule and norm for the life of the church is the word of God, Old and New Testament?&#8221;  The answer is not to overthrow the boundaries simply because no one can live-in to them perfectly.  And yes&#8230; there does happen to be collective guilt as long as systematic sin exists in our world that is contributed to and participated in by groups&#8230; even unawares.  That is one primary reason we have the order of Corporate Confession in our book of worship.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by Michael Root</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Root]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 23:19:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This  historical picture would seem to follow from your comments:
After Paul, the entire church misunderstood the essence of the gospel for about 1500 years. In the early 16th century, Luther rightly grasped the gospel, but then his closest associate, Melanchthon, followed by Chemnitz and the rest of Lutheranism misunderstand the gospel for the next 400 years, until a few professors in the 20th century again got it right.
I would think two conclusions then obtain:
1. If the gospel is this hard to grasp and if a basic grasp of the gospel is normally intrinsic to justification, then the number of the redeemed is quite small.
2. When Jesus said that he would send the Spirit of truth, who would lead us into the truth (John 16:13), he was mistaken, since the Spirit of Truth must be missing if so few grasp the truth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This  historical picture would seem to follow from your comments:<br />
After Paul, the entire church misunderstood the essence of the gospel for about 1500 years. In the early 16th century, Luther rightly grasped the gospel, but then his closest associate, Melanchthon, followed by Chemnitz and the rest of Lutheranism misunderstand the gospel for the next 400 years, until a few professors in the 20th century again got it right.<br />
I would think two conclusions then obtain:<br />
1. If the gospel is this hard to grasp and if a basic grasp of the gospel is normally intrinsic to justification, then the number of the redeemed is quite small.<br />
2. When Jesus said that he would send the Spirit of truth, who would lead us into the truth (John 16:13), he was mistaken, since the Spirit of Truth must be missing if so few grasp the truth.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by vindicating elert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vindicating elert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:06:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In the note referencing M. Chemnitz, the quote indicates along with similar views of the later P. Melanchthon (hereafter, PM), that there was a significant shift from the evangelical basis after Luther&#039;s death.  This unfortunate shift esp. in ethics carried over into Lutheran Orthodoxy of the 17th and early 18th centuries, influencing later attempts at creating a Protestant ethic.  Even the Niebuhrs accepted this shift in their positions.

To re-engage what Luther and the early PM (embedded in the unaltered Augsburg Confession as well as the Apology) thought about this, look at Werner Elert&#039;s works and see the beginnings of renewing a methodology for ethics based on the evangelical basis, cf. Das Christliche Ethos.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the note referencing M. Chemnitz, the quote indicates along with similar views of the later P. Melanchthon (hereafter, PM), that there was a significant shift from the evangelical basis after Luther&#8217;s death.  This unfortunate shift esp. in ethics carried over into Lutheran Orthodoxy of the 17th and early 18th centuries, influencing later attempts at creating a Protestant ethic.  Even the Niebuhrs accepted this shift in their positions.</p>
<p>To re-engage what Luther and the early PM (embedded in the unaltered Augsburg Confession as well as the Apology) thought about this, look at Werner Elert&#8217;s works and see the beginnings of renewing a methodology for ethics based on the evangelical basis, cf. Das Christliche Ethos.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by vindicating elert</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[vindicating elert]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 16:54:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;We are always sinners – but also saints. Its time we started living like the latter, even as we confess like the former.&quot;

The primary shift within current systematic theology and esp. ethics is to fall prey to the old problem of descriptive vs. embedded methods.  In our reflection on Scripture we continually approach issues as if human self-reflection is all that we can ever hope to gain from being impacted by God&#039;s authority.  The latin term &quot;extra nos&quot; radically posits the issue into God&#039;s hands and therefore inflicted upon his creatures.  We so-called moderns resist the effect of the &quot;extra nos&quot; and conclude that the only impact that is made upon us is only our own self-reflection.
This borders on atheism at its most extreme.

God as both Creator, Preserve and Judge inflicts upon us all the changes and chances of history and we cannot escape these changes esp. in the certainty that we are creatures who are headed toward death.  To continually affirm that we are both sinner and saint is a self-reflection with both critique and resolution based on our self-created ways and means for solving the issue.  In God&#039;s eyes alone are we saints and it is hubris for us to believe what that looks like least of all believe that we can manage what sanctification looks like based on our own systems of morality.  We stand as sinners alone before Christ&#039;s cross, ie. within the very arena where genuine resolution is operative.  What lies beyond Christ&#039;s cross is a walk in faith.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;We are always sinners – but also saints. Its time we started living like the latter, even as we confess like the former.&#8221;</p>
<p>The primary shift within current systematic theology and esp. ethics is to fall prey to the old problem of descriptive vs. embedded methods.  In our reflection on Scripture we continually approach issues as if human self-reflection is all that we can ever hope to gain from being impacted by God&#8217;s authority.  The latin term &#8220;extra nos&#8221; radically posits the issue into God&#8217;s hands and therefore inflicted upon his creatures.  We so-called moderns resist the effect of the &#8220;extra nos&#8221; and conclude that the only impact that is made upon us is only our own self-reflection.<br />
This borders on atheism at its most extreme.</p>
<p>God as both Creator, Preserve and Judge inflicts upon us all the changes and chances of history and we cannot escape these changes esp. in the certainty that we are creatures who are headed toward death.  To continually affirm that we are both sinner and saint is a self-reflection with both critique and resolution based on our self-created ways and means for solving the issue.  In God&#8217;s eyes alone are we saints and it is hubris for us to believe what that looks like least of all believe that we can manage what sanctification looks like based on our own systems of morality.  We stand as sinners alone before Christ&#8217;s cross, ie. within the very arena where genuine resolution is operative.  What lies beyond Christ&#8217;s cross is a walk in faith.</p>
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		<title>Comment on A Few Criteria for Assessing Lutheran Discussions of Law by Chuck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Chuck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 15:15:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Michael,

Two things: I cannot say I haven&#039;t murdered.  Before you call the FBI though(!) remember Jesus taught that even though we&#039;ve been told not to murder, we do so even if we are angry with another and are therefore &quot;liable to the hell of fire.&quot; (Mt 5:22)  Jesus totally flipped on it&#039;s head what the listeners at the time, including the Jews, thought they knew about the Law.  Something to think about...

&gt;&gt;&gt;Now here’s the rub: Luther, I think, ordered his faith around the notion that God measures the extent to which we fail to uphold God’s law.
I&#039;d say Luther DID order his faith around that notion before his wacky &quot;grace through faith&quot; revelation.  What was driving him nuts was overwhelming guilt not being able to follow God&#039;s law.  Only God&#039;s grace through Jesus Christ alleviated his conscience!

That&#039;s all.  Thanks for reading.  :)
Chuck]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Michael,</p>
<p>Two things: I cannot say I haven&#8217;t murdered.  Before you call the FBI though(!) remember Jesus taught that even though we&#8217;ve been told not to murder, we do so even if we are angry with another and are therefore &#8220;liable to the hell of fire.&#8221; (Mt 5:22)  Jesus totally flipped on it&#8217;s head what the listeners at the time, including the Jews, thought they knew about the Law.  Something to think about&#8230;</p>
<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;Now here’s the rub: Luther, I think, ordered his faith around the notion that God measures the extent to which we fail to uphold God’s law.<br />
I&#8217;d say Luther DID order his faith around that notion before his wacky &#8220;grace through faith&#8221; revelation.  What was driving him nuts was overwhelming guilt not being able to follow God&#8217;s law.  Only God&#8217;s grace through Jesus Christ alleviated his conscience!</p>
<p>That&#8217;s all.  Thanks for reading.  <img src='http://s0.wp.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Chuck</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by Michael Root</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael Root]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 00:32:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tom,
A large question, for which I have nothing like a comprehensive answer.  Here are some elements I would want to build on:
1. My sense from a relatively limited reading of the pre-20th-century Lutheran ethical tradition, from Melanchthon and Chemnitz through a few of the scholastics and into the nineteenth century, is that Lutherans often presented the elements of a comprehensive ethic in the form of a commentary on the Ten Commandments, interpreted in dialogue with the law written on the heart, i.e., a sort of natural law.  This did tend to produce a fairly abstract ethics, although with a bit of ingenuity, individual authors could produce quite specific conclusions.  I have read, but right now can’t find the reference, an early Lutheran moving from the commandment to keep the Sabbath to the conclusion that pastor’s must be paid a living wage.
2. I would think that a good ethics would often be more specific on what one cannot do than on just what one should do.  I agree with Catholic teaching that some acts are inherently evil and simply not to be done, e.g., the direct and intentional taking of innocent human life, as in abortion or euthanasia.  Here I think ethics should be clear: just say no.
I would also think that ethics sometimes can clearly indicate which of two acts under consideration should be done.  In the quotation I gave from Luther, he clearly seems to think that we have divine guidance if we are considering spending considerable funds on a lengthy and expensive pilgrimage or supporting parents.  The 4th Commandment is specific.
3. Beyond that, I would think that one cannot remove the need for the exercise of the virtues of wisdom and prudence in application of ethical principles or rules.  Rules are not self-applying and so judgment is needed.  I do think one needs a fairly thick ethic, with both teleological and deontological elements, which I think has been true of classical Christian thinking.  In addition, a discipline of casuistry, in which some habits and skills are developed in the application of rules and principles, seems to me essential.  But judgment cannot be removed.
I am not sure that is much of an answer, but it is what I would think needs to go into an answer.
Michael Root]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tom,<br />
A large question, for which I have nothing like a comprehensive answer.  Here are some elements I would want to build on:<br />
1. My sense from a relatively limited reading of the pre-20th-century Lutheran ethical tradition, from Melanchthon and Chemnitz through a few of the scholastics and into the nineteenth century, is that Lutherans often presented the elements of a comprehensive ethic in the form of a commentary on the Ten Commandments, interpreted in dialogue with the law written on the heart, i.e., a sort of natural law.  This did tend to produce a fairly abstract ethics, although with a bit of ingenuity, individual authors could produce quite specific conclusions.  I have read, but right now can’t find the reference, an early Lutheran moving from the commandment to keep the Sabbath to the conclusion that pastor’s must be paid a living wage.<br />
2. I would think that a good ethics would often be more specific on what one cannot do than on just what one should do.  I agree with Catholic teaching that some acts are inherently evil and simply not to be done, e.g., the direct and intentional taking of innocent human life, as in abortion or euthanasia.  Here I think ethics should be clear: just say no.<br />
I would also think that ethics sometimes can clearly indicate which of two acts under consideration should be done.  In the quotation I gave from Luther, he clearly seems to think that we have divine guidance if we are considering spending considerable funds on a lengthy and expensive pilgrimage or supporting parents.  The 4th Commandment is specific.<br />
3. Beyond that, I would think that one cannot remove the need for the exercise of the virtues of wisdom and prudence in application of ethical principles or rules.  Rules are not self-applying and so judgment is needed.  I do think one needs a fairly thick ethic, with both teleological and deontological elements, which I think has been true of classical Christian thinking.  In addition, a discipline of casuistry, in which some habits and skills are developed in the application of rules and principles, seems to me essential.  But judgment cannot be removed.<br />
I am not sure that is much of an answer, but it is what I would think needs to go into an answer.<br />
Michael Root</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by Jonathan Hall</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jonathan Hall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 05:04:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[theoldadam writes, &quot;As far as doing is concerned, Luther places it all on the horizontal (for the sake of the neighbor)…never the vertical…towards God.&quot;

I&#039;m assuming that you&#039;re speaking only with regards to salvation (either that, or the Old Adam is indeed speaking).  In terms of human action, Luther frequently talks about doing what is pleasing to God.  This is frequently in the &quot;vertical,&quot; e.g., the first three commandments.  Given that Luther taught that the Ten Commandments are ordered from most important to least, I would say the &quot;vertical&quot; dimension of human action is primary for Luther.  To put it another way, true love of the neighbor is impossible without love of God.

Instead of doing what the church commanded apart from the Scriptures and therefore being saved, Luther turns this around into being saved and therefore free to do the works pleasing to God, as known through the Scriptures.  The simple reason that Christians do good works is because God commands them.

Luther writes that the Creed was &quot;given in order to help us do what the Ten Commandments require of us&quot; (Kolb/Wengert 431) and of the Lord&#039;s Prayer: “Consequently nothing is so necessary as to call upon God incessantly and drum into his ears our prayer that he may give, preserve, and increase in us faith and fulfillment of the Ten Commandments and remove all that stands in our way and hinders us in this regard&quot; (440-41).  And of course, the Ten Commandments command faith and prayer, so Luther can say that the entire Christian life is obedience to the Ten Commandments.  This might help explain why Luther himself recited the Ten Commandments daily.

To summarize, paraphrasing Luther: We are neither to trust in our worthiness nor to relax in our unworthiness, but simply to pray and work as God commanded.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theoldadam writes, &#8220;As far as doing is concerned, Luther places it all on the horizontal (for the sake of the neighbor)…never the vertical…towards God.&#8221;</p>
<p>I&#8217;m assuming that you&#8217;re speaking only with regards to salvation (either that, or the Old Adam is indeed speaking).  In terms of human action, Luther frequently talks about doing what is pleasing to God.  This is frequently in the &#8220;vertical,&#8221; e.g., the first three commandments.  Given that Luther taught that the Ten Commandments are ordered from most important to least, I would say the &#8220;vertical&#8221; dimension of human action is primary for Luther.  To put it another way, true love of the neighbor is impossible without love of God.</p>
<p>Instead of doing what the church commanded apart from the Scriptures and therefore being saved, Luther turns this around into being saved and therefore free to do the works pleasing to God, as known through the Scriptures.  The simple reason that Christians do good works is because God commands them.</p>
<p>Luther writes that the Creed was &#8220;given in order to help us do what the Ten Commandments require of us&#8221; (Kolb/Wengert 431) and of the Lord&#8217;s Prayer: “Consequently nothing is so necessary as to call upon God incessantly and drum into his ears our prayer that he may give, preserve, and increase in us faith and fulfillment of the Ten Commandments and remove all that stands in our way and hinders us in this regard&#8221; (440-41).  And of course, the Ten Commandments command faith and prayer, so Luther can say that the entire Christian life is obedience to the Ten Commandments.  This might help explain why Luther himself recited the Ten Commandments daily.</p>
<p>To summarize, paraphrasing Luther: We are neither to trust in our worthiness nor to relax in our unworthiness, but simply to pray and work as God commanded.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Luther&#8217;s Pedagogical Use of the Law by M. Martin</title>
		<link>http://lutheranspersisting.wordpress.com/2010/03/01/luthers-pedagogical-use-of-the-law/#comment-879</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[M. Martin]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Mar 2010 03:23:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[While we can certainly agree with Vindicating Elert&#039;s comments under the rubric of what it means to be justified before God, does this necessarily mean extending all of this talk of sinfulness into the realm of sanctification?  Granted, the two are sides of the same coin; yet, I fear our language is starting to idle and become problematic for us when we continually play the sinner card in an effort to maintain a posture of humility which, pursued to its logical ends, is in danger of itself being distorted into a kind of pride.  Confronted with a case as in Tom Pearson&#039;s response, are we simply to throw up our arms and say, &quot;read the Creed&quot; when confronted with such painful, difficult, and ultimately tragic temporal circumstances?  At some point, we must act - mindful of our sinfulness, full of penance and confession, no doubt - but action is required, for the sake of obedience to Christ&#039;s command to love our neighbor.  

The use of certain trodden and worn Lutheran slogans and of certain reiterations of interpretations of the Confessions are themselves kinds of actions.  But are they truly loving - even loving of God?  And, irregardless of what Luther, Melanchton, or any other fallible human beings say in acting, are we to reduce the clear teachings of Christ as merely abstract ideals, and with them, the entire Christian life?  

It seems to me that when St. Paul declares that &quot;In Christ there is a new creation,&quot; this describes more than forensic justification of individual sinners.  In Baptism, in the gift of the Holy Spirit, God is raising up a people to proclaim the Good News to all the earth, to be agents and progenitors of the work begun in Christ through the Spirit&#039;s power.  Are the only actions we are given speech-acts?  Or, are we to take seriously Christ&#039;s own promise of power, to grasp THAT promise in faith, which means, consequently, utilizing that power, under God&#039;s guidance and empowerment by the Spirit, for the sake of love?  And might Gospels like Matthew, whose overall focus is not merely kerygmatic but precisely the ways in which the kerygma is made manifest by the life of discipleship made possible by the death and resurrection of Israel&#039;s God&#039;s Son, furnish us with a more robust sense of mission, one in which preaching and practice are as inseparable as Word and Sacrament?  

Because we have failed to be missional in the ways imagined and commanded by Christ, we have reduced obligations of the law and the challenges of God&#039;s Word to pretenses to pursue false humility under the guise of remaining as much a sinner as we can.  We are always sinners, yes.  But it is such as these that God&#039;s Word calls and adopts as God&#039;s children, giving them the gift of the Spirit so that they might bear fruit, and, in the process, proclaim the Gospel of Christ through word and deed.  Now that everything old has passed away and everything has become new (we do believe this, right?), how might we accept this gift by sharing it with others?  

Perhaps Dr. Root&#039;s implication is that our Scriptures offer more resources than we care to admit.  We are always sinners - but also saints.  Its time we started living like the latter, even as we confess like the former.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While we can certainly agree with Vindicating Elert&#8217;s comments under the rubric of what it means to be justified before God, does this necessarily mean extending all of this talk of sinfulness into the realm of sanctification?  Granted, the two are sides of the same coin; yet, I fear our language is starting to idle and become problematic for us when we continually play the sinner card in an effort to maintain a posture of humility which, pursued to its logical ends, is in danger of itself being distorted into a kind of pride.  Confronted with a case as in Tom Pearson&#8217;s response, are we simply to throw up our arms and say, &#8220;read the Creed&#8221; when confronted with such painful, difficult, and ultimately tragic temporal circumstances?  At some point, we must act &#8211; mindful of our sinfulness, full of penance and confession, no doubt &#8211; but action is required, for the sake of obedience to Christ&#8217;s command to love our neighbor.  </p>
<p>The use of certain trodden and worn Lutheran slogans and of certain reiterations of interpretations of the Confessions are themselves kinds of actions.  But are they truly loving &#8211; even loving of God?  And, irregardless of what Luther, Melanchton, or any other fallible human beings say in acting, are we to reduce the clear teachings of Christ as merely abstract ideals, and with them, the entire Christian life?  </p>
<p>It seems to me that when St. Paul declares that &#8220;In Christ there is a new creation,&#8221; this describes more than forensic justification of individual sinners.  In Baptism, in the gift of the Holy Spirit, God is raising up a people to proclaim the Good News to all the earth, to be agents and progenitors of the work begun in Christ through the Spirit&#8217;s power.  Are the only actions we are given speech-acts?  Or, are we to take seriously Christ&#8217;s own promise of power, to grasp THAT promise in faith, which means, consequently, utilizing that power, under God&#8217;s guidance and empowerment by the Spirit, for the sake of love?  And might Gospels like Matthew, whose overall focus is not merely kerygmatic but precisely the ways in which the kerygma is made manifest by the life of discipleship made possible by the death and resurrection of Israel&#8217;s God&#8217;s Son, furnish us with a more robust sense of mission, one in which preaching and practice are as inseparable as Word and Sacrament?  </p>
<p>Because we have failed to be missional in the ways imagined and commanded by Christ, we have reduced obligations of the law and the challenges of God&#8217;s Word to pretenses to pursue false humility under the guise of remaining as much a sinner as we can.  We are always sinners, yes.  But it is such as these that God&#8217;s Word calls and adopts as God&#8217;s children, giving them the gift of the Spirit so that they might bear fruit, and, in the process, proclaim the Gospel of Christ through word and deed.  Now that everything old has passed away and everything has become new (we do believe this, right?), how might we accept this gift by sharing it with others?  </p>
<p>Perhaps Dr. Root&#8217;s implication is that our Scriptures offer more resources than we care to admit.  We are always sinners &#8211; but also saints.  Its time we started living like the latter, even as we confess like the former.</p>
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